thanks John. I ended up using Real Player downloader. I don't recommend if you can't control it though. It does an update to some kind of Cloud program, then defaults to searching your computer every minute, wanting to upload videos to Cloud storage. That messed up my laptop into wanting me to trash it due to non-responsiveness, until I deleted enough programs to isolate the problem to Real Player downloader, where I disabled the 'search computer every minute' ridiculous option. Works with Internet Explorer, maybe with Google Chrome, but you'ld probably have to master the options lists.
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